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Karenina escreveu:Reaprenda com o rapaz, Mat!

Karenina escreveu:Reaprenda com o rapaz, Mat!

schmidt escreveu:Antes de ler o Dom Quixote, talvez uma das coisas que mais tenha chamado a minha atencao, foi que uma vez eu li, que o proprio Dostoievski aprendeu espanhol pra poder ler o Dom Quixote no original (verdade isso?).

The Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert that God spoke to them; and whether they did not think at the time that they would be misunderstood, and so be the cause of imposition.

Isaiah answer'd: `I saw no God, nor heard any, in a finite organical perception; but my senses discover'd the infinite in everything, and as I was then persuaded, and remain confirm'd, that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for consequences, but wrote.'

Then I asked: `Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so, make it so?'

He replied: `All Poets believe that it does, and in ages of imagination this firm persuasion removed mountains; but many are not capable of a firm persuasion of anything.'

Then Ezekiel said: `The philosophy of the East taught the first principles of human perception. Some nations held one principle for the origin, and some another: we of Israel taught that the Poetic Genius (as you now call it) was the first principle and all the others merely derivative, which was the cause of our despising the Priests and Philosophers of other countries, and prophesying that all Gods would at last be proved to originate in ours and to be the tributaries of the Poetic Genius. It was this that our great poet, King David, desired so fervently and invokes so pathetically, saying by this he conquers enemies and governs kingdoms; and we so loved our God, that we cursed in his name all the Deities of surrounding nations, and asserted that they had rebelled. From these opinions the vulgar came to think that all nations would at last be subject to the Jews.'

`This,' said he, `like all firm persuasions, is come to pass; for all nations believe the Jews' code and worship the Jews' god, and what greater subjection can be?'

I heard this with some wonder, and must confess my own conviction. After dinner I ask'd Isaiah to favour the world with his lost works; he said none of equal value was lost. Ezekiel said the same of his.

I also asked Isaiah what made him go naked and barefoot three years. He answer'd: `The same that made our friend Diogenes, the Grecian.'

I then asked Ezekiel why he ate dung, and lay so long on his right and left side. He answer'd, `The desire of raising other men into a perception of the infinite: this the North American tribes practise, and is he honest who resists his genius or conscience only for the sake of present ease or gratification?'

The ancient tradition that the world will be consumed in fire at the end of six thousand years is true, as I have heard from Hell.

For the cherub with his flaming sword is hereby commanded to leave his guard at tree of life; and when he does, the whole creation will be consumed and appear infinite and holy, whereas it now appears finite and corrupt.

This will come to pass by an improvement of sensual enjoyment.

But first the notion that man has a body distinct from his soul is to be expunged; this I shall do by printing in the infernal method, by corrosives, which in Hell are salutary and medicinal, melting apparent surfaces away, and displaying the infinite which was hid.

If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.

For man has closed himself up till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.

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A Memorable Fancy II

The Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert that God spoke to them; and whether they did not think at the time that they would be misunderstood, and so be the cause of imposition.

Isaiah answer'd: `I saw no God, nor heard any, in a finite organical perception; but my senses discover'd the infinite in everything, and as I was then persuaded, and remain confirm'd, that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for consequences, but wrote.'

Then I asked: `Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so, make it so?'

He replied: `All Poets believe that it does, and in ages of imagination this firm persuasion removed mountains; but many are not capable of a firm persuasion of anything.'

Then Ezekiel said: `The philosophy of the East taught the first principles of human perception. Some nations held one principle for the origin, and some another: we of Israel taught that the Poetic Genius (as you now call it) was the first principle and all the others merely derivative, which was the cause of our despising the Priests and Philosophers of other countries, and prophesying that all Gods would at last be proved to originate in ours and to be the tributaries of the Poetic Genius. It was this that our great poet, King David, desired so fervently and invokes so pathetically, saying by this he conquers enemies and governs kingdoms; and we so loved our God, that we cursed in his name all the Deities of surrounding nations, and asserted that they had rebelled. From these opinions the vulgar came to think that all nations would at last be subject to the Jews.'

`This,' said he, `like all firm persuasions, is come to pass; for all nations believe the Jews' code and worship the Jews' god, and what greater subjection can be?'

I heard this with some wonder, and must confess my own conviction. After dinner I ask'd Isaiah to favour the world with his lost works; he said none of equal value was lost. Ezekiel said the same of his.

I also asked Isaiah what made him go naked and barefoot three years. He answer'd: `The same that made our friend Diogenes, the Grecian.'

I then asked Ezekiel why he ate dung, and lay so long on his right and left side. He answer'd, `The desire of raising other men into a perception of the infinite: this the North American tribes practise, and is he honest who resists his genius or conscience only for the sake of present ease or gratification?'

The ancient tradition that the world will be consumed in fire at the end of six thousand years is true, as I have heard from Hell.

For the cherub with his flaming sword is hereby commanded to leave his guard at tree of life; and when he does, the whole creation will be consumed and appear infinite and holy, whereas it now appears finite and corrupt.

This will come to pass by an improvement of sensual enjoyment.

But first the notion that man has a body distinct from his soul is to be expunged; this I shall do by printing in the infernal method, by corrosives, which in Hell are salutary and medicinal, melting apparent surfaces away, and displaying the infinite which was hid.

If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.

For man has closed himself up till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.

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Karenina escreveu:Reaprenda com o rapaz, Mat!

Me chama de pedante, gostosona!

Karenina escreveu:

Mat escreveu:

Karenina escreveu:Reaprenda com o rapaz, Mat!

Me chama de pedante, gostosona!

Tu ficou sentido? Deixa de ser sentimental. Tu sabe que "te dolu"

Ao mesmo Fernando Pessoa se deve o texto que mais e melhor presta justiça à memória do malogrado poeta.
É o "In Memoriam" que escreveu em 1924, publicado no n.o 2 da revista Athena, de que era director.
"Morrem jovens os que os Deuses amam, é um preceito da sabedoria antiga", dizia. Mas os Deuses, acrescentava, "aos que amam, matam jovens ou na vida, ou no instinto natural com que vivê-la. Uns morrem; aos outros, tirando o instinto com que viviam, pesa a vida como a morte, vivem morte, morrem a vida em ela mesma. E é na juventude, quando neles desabrocha a flor fatal e única, que começam a sua morte vivida."
"É no herói, no santo e no génio", sublinhava, "quer os Deuses se lembram dos homens." Mas se "os Deuses são amigos do herói" e se "compadecem do santo, só ao génio, porém, é que verdadeiramente amam."
E ainda: "Génio na arte, não teve Sá-Carneiro nem alegria nem felicidade nesta vida. Só a arte, que fez ou que sentiu, por instantes o turbou de consolação. São assim os que os Deuses fadaram seus. Nem o amor os quer, nem a esperança os busca, nem a glória os acolhe. Ou morrem jovens, ou a si mesmos sobrevivem, íncolas de incompreensão ou de indiferença. Este morreu jovem, porque os Deuses lhe tiveram muito amor."
"Mas para Sá-Carneiro, génio não só da arte mas da inovação dela, juntou-se, à indiferença que circunda os génios, o escárnio que persegue os inovadores, profetas, como Cassandra, de verdades que todos têm por mentiras. In qua scribebat, barbara terra fuit. Mas, se a terra fosse outra, não variara o destino. Hoje, mais do que em outros tempos, qualquer privilégio é um castigo. Hoje mais do que nunca se sofre a própria grandeza. As plebes de todas as classes cobrem, como uma maré morta, as ruínas do que foi grande e os alicerces desertos do que poderia sê-lo (...)"
Que escritor e poeta teria podido ser Mário de Sá-Carneiro, caso não tivesse desaparecido tão novo, aos 26 anos? Não é fácil conjecturar... Será que, mais tarde ou mais cedo, o seu fim teria sido o mesmo ou será que o sentido cifrado de sua obra é o de simbolizar superlativamente a fragilidade deste bípede implume, o homem, destinado a cair, como Ícaro ao tocar o Sol, ou a perder-se com eternas saudades de mim no labirinto do seu ser misterioso, sempre que ousando aspirar ao Oiro de uma grandeza recôndita e virtual?
Toda a vida e obra de Mário de Sá-Carneiro aparecem-nos marcadas pelo destino, pela moira, por um fado inelutável. Quiçá Pessoa tenha razão: morrem jovens os que os Deuses amam, e ser amado pelos Deuses é ter de sofrer a própria invulgaridade, para que ela frutifique nalguns outros, assim impedindo a total invasão da plebe de todas as classes...

Qu’importe que ce soit une maladie, une tension anormale, si le résultat même, tel que, revenu à la santé, je me le rappelle et l’analyse, renferme au plus haut degré l’harmonie et la beauté...

tmanfrini escreveu:Guilhotinada pelo spoiler todo ;~

Mat escreveu:Na última parte ele ainda dá uma aula sobre a obra do dostoievski [algo que eu nem esperava] [...]